Withholding Emotional Involvement ~ Passive Abuse

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My Father was a very passive man who seemed to be very happy with his job, his family and his life in general.  He didn’t beat me or abuse me in any other physical way, but he didn’t bother with me much either. As a child I didn’t recognize that I had to work hard at getting his attention.  I didn’t realize that I was inventing things like nightmares and tall tales in order to get a response out of him.  I was just a child wanting my father to notice me.  Ironically, as I have mentioned in previous posts, I was constantly reprimanded for doing things to get attention.

My father was very well liked; in fact he was popular. He was known for his jokes and stories and for his ability to entertain everyone with his singing and guitar playing. When it came to me however, he withheld.  When it came to me, he didn’t seem very interested in being my father.  My Dad withheld his interest in me and his attention from me.  He did not offer input into my life; there were no discussions about school, boys, hobbies, friends or any of the other things I heard and imagined other girls talked about with their Dads.  My father was not emotionally present. I don’t recall resenting this fact; I didn’t know anything different. This was just the way it was.

My father also withheld everything from emotional involvement to simple conversation from my mother, which is likely the real reason that they eventually divorced.  He just tuned her out. When I was younger, I believed that he got tired of her extreme ranting and nagging; that he left her and she deserved it.   The real truth is that she tried so hard to get his attention that she got a little bit crazy after years of having little to no impact. My point is that as the child of that marriage, I thought that was how life and relationship worked.  The wife or girlfriend tries harder and harder and the husband or the guy is just the way he is. If there is failure, it must be the women’s fault; my fault.  I didn’t think about my father’s passive behaviour as a contributing factor to a failing relationship, contributing to both the failure of his marriage and the failure of his relationship with me. I didn’t question the inequality of the responsibility. I didn’t know that this was passive abuse, and I certainly didn’t know that passive abuse is as destructive as any other type of abuse.

This laid the foundation for me to be attracted to men who made me work to be noticed by them. My relationships with men never started out that way, but they always seemed to quickly end up that way. I didn’t realize that relationships were a two way street because I alone carried the burden of the relationship with my own father. Not only was I willing to take the entire burden of the relationship responsibility, but I didn’t know I was doing it.  Part of the reason that I tried so hard without realizing I was doing so, was because I had always had to. It was what I was used to.  I had no frame of reference about what a healthy relationship was. From my experience, I only knew that I had to try harder.

I had to learn what a relationship was before I could have a healthy one. Just like in all other areas, I had to learn the truth before I could live in it. I didn’t know that I was just as valuable as everyone else or that the burden of all relationship shouldn’t be on me. I didn’t realize there wasn’t equality in the relationships that I had, just as I didn’t know that there could be equality in relationships since I had not seen an example of it.

Learning to accept abuse, even passive abuse, rarely begins in adulthood.

I welcome your comments on this post, and look forward to your opinions.

Bright sunny blessings,

Darlene Ouimet

p.s. it is not my intention to suggest that males that grow up in the same type of home do not suffer from these same issues.

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57 response to "Withholding Emotional Involvement ~ Passive Abuse"

  1. By: Darlene Ouimet Posted: 11th November

    Hi LAlbert
    Welcome to Emerging from Broken
    I fell into lots of passive abuseive relationships until I was in my 40’s… no slack necessary!
    thanks for sharing,
    Hugs, Darlene

  2. By: LAlbert Posted: 8th November

    If it was not for this article, I’d still be completely clueless as to what the form of this abuse is entitled. Fascinating, good to know, as I’d fallen into an on-&-off “passive abuse”-centric relationship during the past 2 years of my life (gimme some slack; only 22 here!).
    Although my parents provided me with all of the attention one could receive as an only-child, I found myself in this relationship (heaven knows WHY), working myself to the bone to receive an ounce of this boy’s affection and attention (I’d be lucky to get an ounce: it was more like “a drop”).
    I deeply appreciate this article, and in reading and recognizing your struggle, I’ve come to my own conclusions about how I can detect and avoid this detrimental trait with any potential future romantic partner I encounter…
    Thank you, (and I hope my closer friends on Facebook find the time to read an article I just posted on Passive Aggressive abuse..)
    Bless

  3. By: Deborah Posted: 8th November

    Thank you so much for sharing about your experience with your Dad, Darlene. So much resonated. I was in a lot of pain so googled “emotional withholding” since it is sad to say this is what I learned to do from unavailable parents. All I have around my father now (he died when I was 23) is a kind of emptiness and longing with so many unanswered questions. As the youngest I got less and less, he withdrew to the garden after work and never asked me about my day, I hid inside and watched tele and ate too many sweet things, longing for the love. I carried that emptiness for a long time. Now have chosen a partner who is very busy with work and has no affection to give. It is the same pattern and rather than take the risk I withhold due to hurt. It is a shameful thing to own this. Anyway all I can say is thanks so much for writing and giving us hope. I love the name of the website, emerging from broken but hopefully its just to discover that all along you were whole, even though your parents couldn’t mirror that. LOL

    • By: Darlene Ouimet Posted: 9th November

      Hi Deborah,
      Welcome to EFB ~ Thank you for your lovely comment. I named the site because I thought that “emerging from broken” described perfectly the journey from shattered to wholeness, emerging into a new life, a life full living. I discovered that I was valid and that I had an equal right to be here, that I was just as valuable as everyone else and that “they” were wrong about that part.
      It is very painful to have had an emotionally withdrawn parent. Sometimes I think that I never had a father, but I am okay with that thought today. It wasn’t something that I did or because of something lacking in me like I always thought. It was him.
      I married a man who was a workaholic and he also had little time to relate with me. We went through a process too, and today even our marriage is transformed and he comments on this blog often. (he is Jimmy B.) There is hope.
      I am glad that you are here.
      Hugs, Darlene

  4. By: Elizabeth Posted: 21st October

    Just re read this segment of the blog.

    Its very enlightening. I am friends with a man who considers us a ‘couple’.I do not consider us a coulpe.He only calls however when he knows I am working and cannot answer the phone.He does not want to chat with me between seeing me oncea week. He has NEVER made the first mmove on me- just chaste hugs.Only wants to eat at one of two restaurants.Has been with me a copuple of times to different restaurants but seems uncomfortable.Only wants me to accompany him to HIS regular support groups, doesn’t want to go to mine ever.

    I am also apparently to always pay for my own meal, even when he asks me out.In fact ther first time he asked me to dinner, he told the cashier to split the check.

    my mom had just died and I just wanted to be around a familiar face and we had known each other for ages but I had not spent any time with him for 20 years.I thought maybe things might develop further but no…

    He isn’t interested in getting to know my daughter.In fact I took a leap and invited him to eat with me at the restaurant where my daughter works. He went.of course we split the check…lol. Two weeks later I did it again. It was my only day off. He said he didn’t want to go.

    Now that I am coming ‘to’ after mom’s death, i realize I can either enter furher into this stiff unhealthy thing with this man, or I can step back and say.’I have had enough abuse in my life, and emotional witholding isn’t something I want further experience with anymore.

    It feels good to be able to recognize it, and to tell myself I deserve more in my limited free time than to have to play these games with yet another person.His behavior is about him.

    I believe he is not interested in experiencing time with me, but in having just a warm body on the other side of the table once a week.

    I had to get a new car for my daughter after hers died and told him about the frustration of it. He said.’I hope you get it all figured out.’. that’s it.

    Because he said he considered us more than friends, I took a leap and confronted him on some things in a nice way.I think one of the things that bothered me most was when we had terrible weather here and half the interstate was shut down and there were wrecks all over town. I called him to see if he made it home ok. Later it occurred to me that it had never occurred to HIM to see if WE here at my house were ok.

    The clincher was when his ex wife told me they never- not once had sex while they were married.

    I’m outta there.

    I have alot to look at. Why did I seem compliant to this man? because I was. I deserve more. I really now do not care why he is the way he is. i just know I can’t continue to be around someone who is so disinterested IN me, but wants to be AROUND me.I’m just not going to be a backfrop to someone else’s life anymore.I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t notice my departure.

    So that is my story of the emotional witholding man.

  5. By: Darlene Ouimet Posted: 21st July

    IAmEchad,
    Most of my posts are about my parents are about the difficult relationship that I have had with my mother. My father was not that significant in my life. If you read the posts under the mother daughter headings, you might find more of what you are looking for.
    Thanks, Darlene

  6. By: IAmEchad Posted: 21st July

    I know I’m late getting into the conversation, but I was wondering what your thoughts were on the opposite issue – triangulation between Dad and daughter against Mom. If that’s something you feel you’d like to address, maybe a post?

    either way, thanks Darlene for all of your support (via Twitter).

  7. By: Emily Posted: 24th May

    Withholding:

    Withhold: Definition – Hold or keep back, refuse to give, deny, refrain from granting, giving or allowing. If a spouse withholds information and feelings, then the marriage bond weakens. The abuser who refuses to listen to his partner, denies her experience and leaves her isolated. Withholding occurs when one partner withholds affection, information, thoughts, and feelings from his partner. When one person in a relationship withholds, intimacy cannot be created.

    Withholding (Also called “Depriving”) is another form of denying. Withholding includes refusal to listen, refusal to communicate, and emotionally withdrawing as punishment. A relationship requires intimacy and intimacy requires empathy. If one partner withholds information and feelings, then the relationship bond weakens.

    Feels like you did something wrong… feels rejecting (may make you feel heavy sadness… in your stomach). You may not feel good enough.

    When an abuser refuses to listen, appears to misunderstand what he is completely capable of understanding, or declines sharing his emotions, he is “withholding” a part of the essential intimate actions of the relationship.

    When a partner really does not understand the other, then at least the intent to understand and compromise should be there, with perhaps a request for the partner to help them understand somehow.)

    Examples of withholding might include:
    • A partner withholding affection from you.
    • Refusing to give you information about where he is going, when he is coming back, about financial resources, and other forms of information.
    • Refusing to answer questions, make eye contact, etc.
    • Withholding affection and comfort when you need it.
    • Ignoring you.
    Example: The partner may come home drunk if they suspect you want to talk. Alternatively, they may also go out, ie: with friends by themselves, etc. She may go to a friend’s house instead of be home with you and the family, or she may involve herself with projects.

    Consequences: Over time, withholding damages self-esteem. The mistake many survivors of verbal abuse make, including myself, is that they try to “fix” the problem, ie: if you’re constantly rejected for sex then the victim may try to make themselves more attractive, etc. They desperately try to figure out how to make the abuser happy so that he will quit withholding.

    The truth is, there is absolutely nothing you can do to please your abuser to get him to quit withholding from you. Withholding, like all other abusive behaviors is about power and control.

  8. By: Darlene Ouimet Posted: 14th April

    Sarah,
    It is amazing how many people ask me if they might have repressed memories about sexual abuse because they can relate so much to me. For me the recovery wasn’t so much in the talking about the sexual abuse, or any other abuse, it was more about finding out where why and how I believed false truth about myself and realizing where I needed to be re-wired. I relate to everyone who ever struggled with anything! When I decided to carry my message of hope for full recovery and healing, it had little to do with sexual abuse at all. The amount of time that I actually spent in therapy about sexual abuse was minimal compared to the rest of the things that came out.

    I wanted my mother to acknowledge her part in my brokenness too.. but she doesn’t. I also know today that If she did, it would not have been the answer anyway. The belief system would still be the same. I had to take hold of my life, and own my own identity. I had to “own” who I am, and live for me and learn to define myself instead of being defined by everyone else, and thinking that they if they loved me enough, that I could love myself.. it doesn’t work that way. It sounds like it should, but it doesn’t.

    Thanks so much for your comment Sarah! You are on the right track!
    Darlene Ouimet

  9. By: Carla Posted: 13th April

    Hi Sarah! I agree with Darlene that you are reading the right blog! I worked with a really good therapist to understand why I struggled so much with depression, low self-esteem and anxiety. Just like you, there was no physical or sexual abuse in my past to explain it. But uncovering the “anxious” dynamics in my home helped me to see how it all started. I experienced a lot of anger too- mostly “pent up” throughout my childhood but more conscious as an adult. I take anger to be a sign that I am alive and kicking… that I want life and happiness and need to figure out what holds me back from having that. So, big encouragement to you on your journey and all that it is leading you through right now. You are on the right track.

    ~Carla

  10. By: Sarah Posted: 13th April

    Hi Darlene!

    Thanks so much! It helps to know what I’m feeling is valid. I feel guilty sometimes because it’s not like I was physically or sexually abused so I don’t feel like I can classify it as abuse. I actually wondered for a while if I had been sexually abused because I suffer from symptoms similar to those described by those who have been ie. depression, anxiety, severe panic attacks, low self es steem. I’ve also struggled with social anxiety most times I’m able to force myself to go out and thankfully it has never fully taken over my life. I remember in my early 20’s my self esteem was so low that I could barely speak in meetings where I had to present something to my boss or I would fail terribly in job interviews. I think it’s the moving forward and stepping away from my parents particularly my mother that I find really difficult. I feel like the more I step away from them into my own life the more distant they become. I’m not sure why that bothers me when I know I want to walk away from it. It almost feels like I need my mother to know how her actions affected me for me to move on I feel like I need them to validate what happened and apologize which I know is likely not going to happen. I feel like the feelings I’m keeping suppressed are eating away at me the anger at times is consuming. I know I’m not the only one in my family that feels this way I have another sibling who is also suffering similar feelings.

    Anyways thanks for your help I’m glad I spoke up instead of keeping quiet 🙂

    Keep writing you and Carla have a gift!

  11. By: sarah Posted: 13th April

    I’ve been reading the posts here and they have been helping me a lot! I’ve been searching for a support group without much luck. I’m not sure if you could write a post that would pertain to my situation or if you have some recommendations for support groups that might help me with the situation I’m in right now. There is minimal information out there for children of parents who were abused. What if you are an adult child of someone who was abused as a child who never sought professional help? My parent was depressed and put us through so much as a children yet I don’t feel I can call it abuse as we weren’t sexually abused or physically. This parent uses their abuse as an excuse for why they weren’t emotionally present and as a reason for all the irresponsible choices they made for us as children. As an adult I’m dealing with anger towards them for the way they treated us and the poor decisions they made. This parent is still focusing so much on their childhood and is seeking sympathy from their children for what they missed out on. This parent fails to see how tmuch we missed out on when they didn’t seek help. The children are afraid of confronting the parent about their behavior out of fear they will be really upset. I’m contemplating seeking therapy as I’m at a point in my life where I have no idea how to deal with this situation. I often find Carla’s posts really helpful as she says she wasn’t physically or sexually abused yet was still left with panic anxiety and other symptoms that to her were unexplainable. I’ve dealt with panic attacks for more than 10 years on and off and now extreme anger.

    • By: Darlene Ouimet Posted: 13th April

      Hi Sarah,
      I wish that I knew of a support group that I could tell you about, but I don’t. I can tell you however that you are reading the right blog! I hope to write a post soon about this comment because you have brought up something that is really important and even key regarding what our message here is really about.
      My mother was abused also and she struggled with tons of depression; I totally relate to what you are asking about here. I had to move forward with my own life. It isn’t that I place blame on my parents, just that I had to acknowledge the damage that was done to me, before I could move on from it. I never considered that what my parents did was “real abuse” either, and I made excuses for my mother and father for years. She had a worse life than I did…. however one day when I sought help for myself, I realized I was no longer going to let her treat me badly and make me feel bad because she felt bad about herself. Even realizing that my parents were not very good parents was a process for me. All of it is. =)
      Hope this helps a bit until I can write more!
      Darlene

  12. By: Cindy Leigh Wilson Posted: 12th April

    Dear Darlene and fellow “truth and self treasure seekers”,
    I find myself in a painful place right now. At the age of 52, I am indebted to my father financially due to the complete financial destruction my husband’s brain tumor and my recent loss of my job caused us (we are renting to buy a house he owns. Our credit is horrible and it was the only way we could afford a small house in a reasonable neighborhood–which btw he developed). Because of this, he every now and then enters into a character assassination of my husband and I over something trivial in our lives that he states causes a poor testimony to others (the implication is that he will withdraw his support if we do not line up with his thinking). It has been awhile since I have had to endure this kind of treatment and today’s ranting has sent me spinning so to speak. As I try to stop spinning, I am completely disoriented and find it hard to put one foot in front of the other and walk in a healthy way. I am typing through tears wanting to run as far away from him as I can.

    Let me insert something here… IF I EVER DOUBTED THERE WAS A GOD THAT CARED ABOUT THE PAIN IN MY LIFE, MY FINDING THIS BLOG WOULD BLOW THOSE DOUBTS OUT OF THE WATER!!!!! I realize at this moment that I not only need to deal with the “baggage” of my past, but I will also need occasional “crisis” help for the reality of my “now”. Being able to read these posts (comments included) and meditate on them calms me and gives me hope. More importantly it allows me to go into my counseling sessions with a better handle on the issues I need support in dealing with….past, present and future.

    Reading the comments about the passive father and mothers allows me to see today that a parent can be passive instead of nurturing and at the same time be offensive (not sure if that is the word that Carla or Darlene would use) with false criticism and abusive. I am not sure what Dan’s book is about exactly, but I plan to find a copy and read it asap.

    About an hour after my father’s abusive call (during that time I found out he had just found out he had to pay $100.000 in taxes today on other houses he owns. Obviously his stress played into his poor behavior), my father called again and spoke in a “kind” voice that he thought it would do me some good to go over to his house and sit out by the pool with my mom. “Getting out of the house would help since I have been sick.” He went on to say that he wanted to grill steaks for my my husband, boys and me. This is typical of my Dad wanting to move past one of his outbursts without apologizing. Out of respect for my husband and his desire to “smooth” things over I am going to pull myself together and go–though every fiber in me is telling me this is the dysfunctional thing to do and I am possibly setting myself up for another “target” practices on my character.

    Please, please forgive me for writing all of this. This will be the last time that I take up so much space with a “crisis” comment…I know these thoughts are more appropriate for counseling sessions. I appreciate the grace everyone has extended me to make me feel secure enough to be this vulnerable today without the fear of being chastised for using this comment section in the wrong way. I just feel like I have been in the lion’s den and am about to reluctantly return there again. Connecting with this group gives me some encouragement and a hope that when I return I will find a word of wisdom to help me stay on course.

    Holding on to the hope of what true Love is in Christ and genuine fellowship with those who have traveled the paths I find myself on right now,
    Cindy Leigh

  13. By: Darlene Ouimet Posted: 12th April

    These comments are so powerful and heartfelt.

    Catherine, your father DID miss out. No matter how much I understand this stuff, (the belief system, how abuse affects us, same thing happened to my parents etc.) I just don’t get the rejection part. Nikki, is IS wounding. I thought for so long that if I just DID the right thing, that if I could FIND the key that would make me good enough for my parents, then I would be fine. Turns out that I am fine without their love, that their love is was toxic and something that prevented me from growing.. (poison soil in the garden) oh dear….LOL

    I have read Dan’s book too, and I also found it a powerful story of healing. Dan’s journey with his own father brought up a lot of stuff in me as well.

    Welcome Sherry, I am glad that you found some clarity from reading my post.

    Patricia, you bring up something that has been KEY for me in recovery. You said “The attention that I got from my dad was raging criticisms and sexual attention that he called love.” This is how you learned the definition of love! So this is what you had to UN LEARN! I spent a lot of time in my process unlearning all the wrong definitions of everything; love, relationship, respect, MANY things!
    Thanks to everyone!

    Darlene Ouimet

  14. By: Dan Hays Posted: 12th April

    Darlene – Once again, a powerful discussion of a subject that is sometimes hard to pin down. My own Dad withdrew from me when I was about 11. Discovered in therapy later, his Dad had abandoned him at that age. It was very puzzling – “what did I do wrong?”

    Catherine and Patricia – thank you so much for your kind words about my book! Sherry, I would enjoy hearing from you when you read it! Here’s my website, with links to my blog and a buy link for my book.

    http://www.danlhays.com

  15. By: Catherine Posted: 12th April

    Sherry, I would highly recommend Dan’s book to anyone who is has experienced abuse of any kind! I came to terms with so many unresolved issues that were keeping me “stuck.” My inner child was still responding to so many messages! Look forward to hearing your thoughts after you read it.

  16. By: Sherry Posted: 12th April

    Darlene – It’s unsettling how your post gave me so much clarity on a couple of my relationships. Thank you!

    Catherine – I’m intrigued by your comment on the Dan Hays book. I googled him and plan to buy the book. It sounds like it might benefit me. Thank you!

  17. By: Vivian Palmer Harvey Posted: 11th April

    what’s really neat is that all the voices here offer 100 % validation of what my experiences were. I just don’t recall dad being interested in any of us..except for my sister.( who admittedly has more of the Palmer side nature)or my brother, who as the last born child, was his dads youngest and favorite.

    On top of being shoveled away to boarding school in Africa, then back to the continent of America for our early and late teens…we lost family interaction from both sides. But that was their mission of choice.
    AS we grew to young adults married with children, dad still made his preference known..good grief!
    I’ve never reconciled with him..he’s passed over now for quite a few years, as is mom.

  18. By: Darlene Ouimet Posted: 11th April

    Wow, once again I am thrilled and blessed by the comments! Welcome to Vickie and Joy! I am delighted to have two more fellow bloggers sharing here!

    Everyone, I sliced open my thumb today doing dishes! (dishes are an evil chore.. none of us should have to do them.. lol) .. and the pain is distracting, so I am going to reply to your comments tomorrow. I am sorry for the delay, but I LOVE these comments!!!

    Darlene Ouimet

  19. By: Patricia - Spiritual Journey Of A Lightworker Posted: 11th April

    The attention that I got from my dad was raging criticisms and sexual attention that he called love. My mom was the one who was so disconnected from her feelings that she wasn’t connected to any of her 3 children. My only connection to my mother was as her protector. I was assigned that job very early in childhood.

  20. By: Nikki Posted: 11th April

    This blog speaks volumes we really don’t see that being passive is still making a choice no matter what. And when a parent is not there for us emotionally it is a form of neglect. I think this is another one of those subtle things that we don’t catch on to as children simply because like you said there is not a point of reference.

    It is very wounding to not be acknowledged. I get really mad when I hear adults say “Children should be seen and not heard” as if children were some kind of object or lower life form. Now don’t get me wrong children should be taught to respect but at the same time adults should earn and not demand respect. What we teach children is what our future will be like.

    Sadly most adults just dont get it or they have been so wounded in their own lives they cant see past their own pain. It is that “Do as I say not as I do” attitude (which really drove me nuts as a kid) I admit we all have faults etc. but when a parent doesn’t take the time to acknowledge you and let you know that you are appreciated and loved without having to work for that attention it is like a bullet that goes through the soul.

    Thank you for sharing this my friend!!

  21. By: Catherine Posted: 11th April

    Once again I see my experience staring back at me Darlene. My Father was a very charming, charismatic man, who was well liked by everyone. He was completely disconnected from me my entire life. I could never figure out why I was never good enough, and not worthy of being loved. No matter what I did, it was never enough.

    I don’t recall ever being held, hugged or told that I was loved by my Dad. He showed no interest in what I did, where I went, what my interests and gifts were. On the other hand he did express his love and pride in my three brothers.

    He still tells me how successful my brothers are, and that there’s still time for me to do something with my life. Yet, anything that I have ever done was so deeply criticized, that I would just give up and quit! Dan Hays book was a real eye opener on what kept getting me “stuck” I no longer allow it, and simply share nothing with him.

    Wow! …he has missed out on so much by not knowing me! ( I’ve looked at this last line & debated deleting it!) Doesn’t that sound kind of conceited? Naaa! I am worth knowing, and loving and that is my truth!

  22. By: Splinteredones Posted: 11th April

    My father was also fairly absent in my childhood. Passive, great phraseology. He was so busy caring for my very I’ll mother that he had no space for me whatsoever. He was very aware of the abuse she was heaping on me but chose to ignore it. And I did learn from that;I learned that I counted for zip. That I was non-existent. Which completely worked with my burgeoning belief that I was responsible for my big T abuse.

    When I was 10 years old I has 4 ulcers. To this day dad says he has no recollection. When I was 4 I had surgery on my throat due to having been choked repeatedly. Again, dad does not recall it. Because he wasn’t there at the time.

    Brutal. Another great post, thanks.

  23. By: Joy Posted: 11th April

    Hi Darlene. Thank you so much for this insightful and thought-provoking post. I have had a really tough 24 hrs or so, and it was wonderful to have read something that put words to something I had put on the shelf because I didn’t quite understand its effect on me. It was very grounding to read words so true and beautifully put. I wish you a phenomenal, lovely day.

    xoxo,
    Joy

  24. By: Vickie Posted: 11th April

    Well that was a lovely way to start a Sunday morning 🙂 Someone putting some very ambiguous concepts into a very eloquent blog. I hear ya Darlene. Thanks for sharing and putting something else into perspective.

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